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 Post subject: New Challenge and Rules for the International Cup?
PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:44 am 
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NEW YORK CANOE CLUB INTERNATIONAL CHALLENGE CUP
Next defence...

Unreliable rumour reaches me that Australia are about to announce the protocol for the next running of the oldest trophy in sailing that is still being competed for without lawyers.

A challenge has been received from the yacht club of a small island which has just appeared after a volcanic eruption in the Pacific. Neither new YC or country has a name. membership or population yet, but this will be rectified in due course. The YC will hold an annual regatta some time between now and the 26th century unless they don't get around to it.
There are some small revisions to the rules for the event, to be referred to as the Protocol.

Protocol for the next Defense

Race Management
The defender wins a race as soon as one of its boats takes the lead. Should no defending boat take the lead the race will run its full course, The scoring system allows that if any of the defending boats beats any of the challenging boats across the finishing line then the defender is deemed to have won the race.

Multiple Challenges
In the event of multiple challenges there will be a challenger series, in which the defender will participate. If the defender should win any race in the challenger series then the defender is deemed to have succesfully defended the cup, and no further racing is required.

Length of Series
The final match will continue until the defender wins a race and the cup has been successfully defended.

Location of Event
The event will be held in whichever location promises the most slabs and bottles of Bundy for the defending team.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 11:01 am 
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Nah Jim, thats the Americas Cup, not the New York Canoe Club International Challenge Cup.

I'm sure I speak on behalf of all the Australians when I say we welcome the challenge to defend this prestigious Silver Jug - however in the meantime I am currently negotiating to have it on display in our Maritime Musuem (trying for some TV coverage too, but maybe beggars can't be choosers on that one).

It really is a nice trophy, I hope we see at least 6 more perpetuals in Germany (World Champion, Heat 1, Heat 2, Heat 3, Heat 4 and Heat 5 plus a really flash Classic IC trophy.....)

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Christian AUS wrote:
It really is a nice trophy,

In my previous class I learned that whilst sharing a Champs with the UK Canoe class is just fine, the one thing you don't want to do is to share a prizegiving, because you'll come out with a sense of total inadequacy about your class trophies...


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Seriously though Jim, it has occurred to me that currently the challenge is structured to de-emphasize the 'teams' role. The efforts of all but the fastest boat have little effect. This must have been agonised over in the past - so why don't the other places count??

More radically (and this should produce some interesting / tactical / dirty sailing) how about the losers being determinded by the nationality of the last boat?

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frank! wrote:
Seriously though Jim, it has occurred to me that currently the challenge is structured to de-emphasize the 'teams' role. The efforts of all but the fastest boat have little effect. This must have been agonised over in the past - so why don't the other places count??

More radically (and this should produce some interesting / tactical / dirty sailing) how about the losers being determinded by the nationality of the last boat?


Frank, the other team boats can play tactical roles in covering - which can lead to just as much covering etc.

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The other places dont count because thats just they way the rules a written for the event and have been that way as long as I have been sailing canoe's.

There is alot of tactics happening out there on the race course for the Cup getting that first boat across the line isn't easy. the first race of the last challenge is proof of that every boat had a turn in leading Colin caught me out at a mark rounding so I had to do circles. Even the boat behind can change the way things happen at the front by peeling off possibly causing the opposition to cover rather than attack. Or there are times when boats get sailed off the course. Ive seen it all happen before one of the best Cup Challlenge I watched was in Sweden we had an awesome viewing point and the racing was brilliant people getting pushed off the course allowing others to get advantage of wind shifts and or clear air.

I think the format which has been around for a long time works it part of the history of the Cup I dont see any need to change it. The racing is exciting and for the last challenge was really hard work out on the water at no stage did I think I had the race won until I completed my last tack to cross the line and was in a few boat lengths of crossing until then the race was still there to be won by anyone.

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I'm with Hayden on this. The format is great and completing, even on the loosing side is something else. It was even worth removing the kite to take part.
I guess I'll have to sail DC to be in the hunt to do it again
john


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