Richmond YC XIX World Championships 2014 USA

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Re: Richmond YC XIX World Championships 2014 USA

Post by petermclaren » Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:24 am

Many thanks to Chris H and others for all the information on the Worlds. Days' happenings and results have been required viewing every evening. Good results table from Richmond YC.

Congratulations to Alistair on another Bronze medal: two places better next time?

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Re: Richmond YC XIX World Championships 2014 USA

Post by Willy Clark » Tue Sep 16, 2014 5:30 pm

Do we really have to wait another three years before we can do this again? I don't know if I can wait that long.

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Re: Richmond YC XIX World Championships 2014 USA

Post by SteveC » Fri Sep 19, 2014 4:49 am

I agree, 2 years seems much more reasonable and also allows us to get around all the countries who want to host it more quickly.
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Re: Richmond YC XIX World Championships 2014 USA

Post by Tony » Fri Sep 19, 2014 10:58 am

Hi Chris great job with the footage and reports. It was great to get a sense of the whole event.

Cheers

Tony

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Re: Richmond YC XIX World Championships 2014 USA

Post by SteveC » Tue Sep 30, 2014 12:20 pm

I've loaded up about 300 photos from our host David Thompson who took some great shots from his spectator boat on the two day events, onto the UK IC website Gallery at http://www.intcanoe.org.uk/gallery/thum ... p?album=54

The photos are in order and show a pattern of how the races went on the two race days for races 4&5 and 7&8.

I have the full size images if any one wants a copy for themselves to get framed or whatever.....
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Re: Richmond YC XIX World Championships 2014 USA

Post by jimc » Tue Feb 03, 2015 5:53 pm

Just compiling a more formal style report for the Int website, and I've realised that I don't have designs for the boats. Here's the list, please can people post what designs the boats are for me. We should record the designs now they're not all Nethercotts!

Sail   Boat   Skipper Country
USA 248   Groove Moves   Mikey Radziejowski   USA  
USA 254      Chris Maas   USA  
GBR 317   Dragonfly   Alistair Warren   GBR  (Dragonfly Warren 2, Bloodaxe/Warren)
GER 79   Amok 2   Peter Ullmann   GER  
USA 256   Dance Commander   David Clark   USA  
AUS 40   VIVA Acrobat   Hayden Virtue   AUS  
GBR 328   Little Scarlet   Phil Robin   GBR  (Dragonfly Warren 2, Bloodaxe)
USA 245   Hellcat   Stephen Gay   USA  
GBR 329   Wrigleys last stand   Robin Wood   GBR  (Morrison 2, C12 Performance Boats)
USA 228   Mayhem   Michael Costello   USA  
USA 249   Witzelschutz   William Clark   USA  
GBR 319   SKY   COLIN BROWN   GBR   Morrison 1a (low freeboard)
GBR 265   Cunning Stunts   Mark Goodchild   GBR  (Nethercott, Razorback/Goodchild)
GER 86      Frederik Steimann   GER  
GBR 308   Monkey   Chris Hampe   GBR   (Monkey Warren 1, Warren))
USA 253   Raven   Del Olsen   USA  
GBR 278   Incognito   Simon Allen   GBR  (Nethercott, Razorback)
SWE 3191   Kaito   Ola Barthelson   SWE  
USA 250   Smoke   Stephen Clark   USA  
USA 211   Honey Badger   John Gilmour   USA  
CAN 30      Michael Leitch   CAN  
USA 230      Todd Twigg   USA  
USA 204   Red Boat   John Gray   USA  (Nethercott)
USA 209   Rap Nui   David Gilliland   USA  (Nethercott)
GER 84   technologic   Arne Stahl   GER  
GBR 330   Turned Turtle   Steve Clarke   GBR  (Morrison 2, C12 Performance Boats)
AUS 10   Siren   JIM REEDER   AUS  (Nethercott)
GBR 327   Wild Venture   Rob Bell   GBR  (Morrison 2 (dished foredeck), C12 Performance Boats )
GER 82      Roger Regitz   GER  
USA 243   Donkey   Chris Rutz   USA  
GBR 311   Scarlett   Perham Harding   GBR  (Morrison 1, Bloodaxe)
GER 74   Desaster de luxe   Eckhardt Pagel   GER   (Nethercott)
CAN 41   Uncle Walter   Bob Lewis   CAN  
GBR 320   Sapphire   Robert Stebbin GBR (Morrison 2)
Last edited by jimc on Tue Feb 10, 2015 10:20 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Reason: with updates from Perham

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Re: Richmond YC XIX World Championships 2014 USA

Post by jimc » Tue Feb 10, 2015 11:52 am

Come on folks. Its rather dispiriting to get the impression no-one cares about getting the information on the website. And it makes it a lot easer for people thinking about the class if they can see what designs are up there. I've filled in a few I have data for, but its not unreasonable to ask for some input from the rest of you.

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Re: Richmond YC XIX World Championships 2014 USA

Post by perhamh » Tue Feb 10, 2015 8:44 pm

The obvious ones are
GBR 329 - Morrison 2, C12 Performance Boats
USA 204 - Nethercott
USA 209 - Nethercott
GBR 330 - Morrison 2, C12 Performance Boats
AUS 10 - Nethercott
GBR 327 - Morrison 2 (sunken foredeck), C12 Performance Boats
GER 74 - Nethercott

You probably need a response from Chris Maas and Steve Clark to attribute specific designs to the newer US boats; and Arne for the German ones.

Perham

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Re: Richmond YC XIX World Championships 2014 USA

Post by Arne GER76 » Wed Feb 11, 2015 9:56 am

USA 248 Groove Moves Mikey Radziejowski USA (Maas, Superstring Theory)
USA 254 Chris Maas USA (Maas, mod. Superstring Theory)
GBR 317 Dragonfly Alistair Warren GBR (Dragonfly Warren 2, Bloodaxe/Warren)
GER 79 Amok 2 Peter Ullmann GER (Maas, Superstring Theory)
USA 256 Dance Commander David Clark USA
AUS 40 VIVA Acrobat Hayden Virtue AUS
GBR 328 Little Scarlet Phil Robin GBR (Dragonfly Warren 2, Bloodaxe)
USA 245 Hellcat Stephen Gay USA (Maas, Superstring Theory)
GBR 329 Wrigleys last stand Robin Wood GBR (Morrison 2, C12 Performance Boats)
USA 228 Mayhem Michael Costello USA
USA 249 Witzelschutz William Clark USA
GBR 319 SKY COLIN BROWN GBR Morrison 1a (low freeboard)
GBR 265 Cunning Stunts Mark Goodchild GBR (Nethercott, Razorback/Goodchild)
GER 86 Frederik Steimann GER (Stahl/Steimann, Rusty Nail)
GBR 308 Monkey Chris Hampe GBR (Monkey Warren 1, Warren))
USA 253 Raven Del Olsen USA (Maas, Superstring Theory)
GBR 278 Incognito Simon Allen GBR (Nethercott, Razorback)
SWE 3191 Kaito Ola Barthelson SWE
USA 250 Smoke Stephen Clark USA
USA 211 Honey Badger John Gilmour USA
CAN 30 Michael Leitch CAN
USA 230 Todd Twigg USA
USA 204 Red Boat John Gray USA (Nethercott)
USA 209 Rap Nui David Gilliland USA (Nethercott)
GER 84 technologic Arne Stahl GER (Stahl, Rusty Nail)
GBR 330 Turned Turtle Steve Clarke GBR (Morrison 2, C12 Performance Boats)
AUS 10 Siren JIM REEDER AUS (Nethercott)
GBR 327 Wild Venture Rob Bell GBR (Morrison 2 (dished foredeck), C12 Performance Boats )
GER 82 Roger Regitz GER (Maas, Superstring Theory)
USA 243 Donkey Chris Rutz USA
GBR 311 Scarlett Perham Harding GBR (Morrison 1, Bloodaxe)
GER 74 Desaster de luxe Eckhardt Pagel GER (Nethercott)
CAN 41 Uncle Walter Bob Lewis CAN
GBR 320 Sapphire Robert Stebbin GBR (Morrison 2)
Arne
IC GER 84
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Re: Richmond YC XIX World Championships 2014 USA

Post by Dave Clark » Wed Mar 25, 2015 7:23 pm

My contribution to the above list

USA 256-Dance Commander (Steve Clark "Gaijin" design. Fulcrum Speedworks (me) construction)
USA 228-Mayhem (John Kells "Mayhem" design. John Kells construction. Very similar to a Morrison1)
USA 249-Witzelschutz (Steve Clark "Hollow thread" design. Steve Clark construction)
USA 250-Smoke (Steve Clark "Hollow thread" design. Steve Clark construction)
SWE 3191-Kaito (Steve Clark "Josie2" design. William Clark/Steve Clark construction)
CAN 30-Getting (Nethercott, razorback)
USA 230- Jolt (Nethercott, Del Olsen construction)
USA 243- Donkey (Olsen Donkey1, Del Olsen/Eric Chase/Fran Defamareau construction-nethercott)
CAN 41- Uncle Walter (Steve Clark "Josie1" design. Oliver Moore Construction).

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Re: Richmond YC XIX World Championships 2014 USA

Post by Alistair » Fri Mar 27, 2015 1:26 pm

is the only one left Haydens boat (aus40)?, its to his own design, not sure what he's calling it.
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Re: Richmond YC XIX World Championships 2014 USA

Post by jimc » Fri Mar 27, 2015 7:44 pm

Yes, thanks everyone for your contributions, I'm pretty much there. Missing a few boat names, quite a few more builders, but nearly all the designs are there. I imagine USA211 is a Nethercott, I suppose I should check photos!

Are the US built Superstring Theories officially Maas Boat Co. built or what?

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Re: Richmond YC XIX World Championships 2014 USA

Post by Steve Clark » Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:03 pm

Not to nit pick:
USA 249 is "Log Theory Mk 1"
And USA 250 is "Log Theory Mk 2"

Story goes like this:
After 2007 I thought, "I bet you can build Chris' String Theory" design or something very close to it using Phil Stevenson's "Hollow Log" tortured ply technique."
What followed was a request for Chris' table of offsets and some messing around with 1/4 scale models.
These all had names that were variations on "String" "Theory" "Hollow" and "Log"
To wit "Log Theory" "Second String" and "Hollow Threat"
Bill Beaver was going to tow them all in the small tank at the Naval Academy and tell me what the differences were. He also had a 1/4 scale model of "Lust Puppet" and a 1/4 scale model of John Kells' "Mayhem." Earlier he had towed the full scale "Lust Puppet" so we had a pretty good idea how indicative the small scale tests would be.
Ger 78 is a "Second String" design I built before the results were in.
Long story short, the full test wasn't run, but the model that looked most like Chris's hull won, and than encouraged me to build two full size boats for Dave and I to sail in Germany. My abilities to build symmetrical boats out of tortured plywood isn't very good, so there were 4 different 1/2 boats represented by those two hulls. The unusual bow of USA 250 is because the plywood exploded half way through building the bow, and that's, what came out after we fixed it...I can design on the fly, full size.
Following Dave's performance in Germany, and Willy's comments after the NY Cup, we decided to figure out what we had done, really, so we took the shapes off 249 and 250 and lofted them. Roger also expressed some interest in a low material cost construction system. I was pretty sure the tortured ply system was too approximate to satisfy the German spirit, so I thought I had to do something to make the build more predictable.

We lofted each side of 249 and 250 as symmetrical boats, and then drew a hull that was the average of the two sides. Then we made some changes that we thought would improve everything. What came out I called "Gaijin." I designed a fairly elaborate building jig into which the cut sheets are deformed, so that the hulls are actually the right shape. This also is the form for doing all the bulkheads and decking, but it's a pretty big piece of CNC cutting and we figure too much of an investment for an individual or a club thinking of building a boat or two. And no one seemed very interested anyway. Arne designed his own hull and built a mold.

Dave went well this summer in the plywood boat he built out of the jig, but we figure we should build a mold to pull composite hulls of that design. I'm going to make a few really minor changes to the sheer line and stem profile. Dave and I also designed a real kit project that he has been prototyping and documenting this winter. This multi-chine hull doesn't require a building jig, and has continued down the path of simplification. He expects to get it wet very soon.

This is quite a long post.
Thanks for listening.
SHC
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Re: Richmond YC XIX World Championships 2014 USA

Post by H Virtue » Tue May 26, 2015 11:54 am

I haven't been on here for some time.

My Boat AUS40 Acrobat is essentially my design however it originates from the table of offsets from Chris Maas of String Theroy, from there I threw my ideas and thoughts in the mix.... It's clearly different to all others dreadnaught bow the most striking difference. I transferred the rig from AUS20 (boat I sailed at the 2008 Worlds)

I've never had a name for my designs so here we go "40" is now the official name of the design..

Cheers
H.

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